A friend of my Land-lord ended up getting banned at Casino Niagara for counting cards. This is the first time I had heard of this happening there, and am curious if this happens regularly, or is a one in a million thing? I guess they get very suspicious when a player decides to take insurance sometimes, and other times not. Also I know just about everyone these days signs up for a player's advantage card, and all users are tracked now and their habbits checked.
Banned at Casino Niagara I can tell you from experience that it is rare to ban someone from a casino. If you have a history, and it is on record, of being a "card counter" then the likelihood is increased. More often then not though the casino wants you keep playing, with the expectation that the odds will prevail in the end. True "advantage players" are identified more by their betting habits than aything else. If a casino suspects a player is "counting cards", they will assign someone to track the cards and what the betting patterns are of the player. If a player makes a sudden increase in his/her wager and the deck is weighted heavily in the player's favor, this is a sign of a possible "advantage player." If a pattern of such bets is established, the player is asked to leave the premises (sometimes never to return.) These cases are few and far between. The moral is: you can "count cards" and get away with it, but as soon as you get greedy, you will probably get caught.
Hee Hee! My two cents. Nice post MR Pit Manager. See you soon. With 2.5 to 3 decks cut-off from play in the 8 decks shoes and 2 decks cut-off in the VIP's 6 decks shoes, Casino Niagara has nothing to worry about. A card counter would need spreads of up to 40:1 to achieve a miniscule edge over a very long period of play. The bankroll to support the player would also have to be pretty big. So, no serious player would bother with Casino Niagara BJ games. There are much better games just across the river. :joker: :joker: :joker: It is really sad in a way that the overbuilt and beautiful Casino Fallsview fails to grasp the concept that game fairness might bring in much needed table action, most of which would be very profitable. On a positive note, Casino Fallsview's monthly BJ tournaments for 25K are the very best that can be found in the North-East and compare favorably with those of Las Vegas.. Management is to be congratulated on a job well done in this regard.
Like the ThePitMgr said... Don't get greedy! What I do is win $200 a day everyday but only go to the same casino maybee twice a week tops... Doesn't sound like much but that adds up to like 6K/month. It's not worth getting barred for a quick big come up, cause say you get caught... what are you gonna do when you spend all that money... 6K a month for the rest of my life sounds better to me then possibly risking your ability to play in a casino just cause you wanted more...
$200 a day EVERYDAY Nobody wins every day whether it be $200 or $10, the only way to accomplish that feat would be to have an undetectable way to cheat the house. If you actually have a secret way to win every day I'm sure it would be marketable for $5,000 to $10,000 to many players and you can go on vacation for a few years maybe to Vegas where you can exploit 5 casinos a day and make $30,000 a month.
You don't know what you got till it's gone... I understand where your coming from rookie789, but I don't mean win $200 daily by playing $5 - $25 hands. I play $100 - $500 hands and usually come with a bankroll of around 5K... Sometimes I only sit down for 5 minutes sometimes I sit down for hours it all depends on how long it takes me to win $200/2 units. More than half the time I dont even need to count cause I'll win my first 2 hands etc... and yes I do lose sometimes but make up for it aggressively the next day or at another time. Yes I could very well take 5 - 10K a day but I would need to show up with 250K in my pocket and play 5K - 25K hands meaning I would need 2 million in my bank to withdraw from to fight it another day incase I lose one day or maybe even two days in a row... and in order to play aggressively to make up for previouse losses I would be playing 6 figure hands at some points...! First off I dont have 2 million bucks. and second there's no way you will be able to get away with playing aggressively with that much money let alone find numerouse places that will match your bets and let you play that frequently without figuring you out, and third if I had 2 million in cash sitting in my bank I wouldn't need to play blackjack anymore. (takes money to make money) Remember the key is to not be greedy! What most people who go to casino's and even most rookie counters cant do is LEAVE when your up! that right there blows my mind!!! Just pretend like gambling is your job... When I play it takes me on average 45 minutes to reach my goal... THATS $200 AN HOUR!!! 7-10 HOURS A WEEK!!! When I'm done I have all day to screw around with my fam and friends! They say you don't no what you got till it's gone... So remember don't be greedy! Counting cards and still being allowed in a casino is priceless... Along with spending your time with family and friends instead of working in corporate america... That will be $10 bucks Please!! hahaa J/K:laugh:
Recipe for disaster playing with a daily 'stop-win' is a surefire recipe for disaster in the long run -- you may have had some wonderful short term results using this strategy, but the truth is playing this way is only asking to have a lot of small wins coupled with a few monster losses... the edge from card counting is so small that the only way to play is when the conditions are right -- factors such as your restfulness, freedom from heat, high counts, and the like should be the guage of your propensity to play -- NOT whether you win your first two $100 hands. You make a simple argument that holds no basis in AP reality, regardless of the short term results you have had to indicate otherwise & give you a false sense of confidence in a system that is destined to fail. Even the largest teams of counters with millions in bankroll still expect a certain significant minority of their members to LOSE at the end of the year, regardless of how well they played and at what high counts. And any individual counter knows that even after a very profitable year, there were sessions that experience heavy losses, offset (hopefully) by sessions in which you gain larger-than-anticipated wins. By setting a $200 'win-limit' you only beg the negative variance inherent in card counting (or any other advantage play) to knock you out in the killer losing sessions. Even if you also couple this irresponsible 'win-limit' with some sort of 'stop-loss,' you only compound the problem -- because as soon as you dip farther in the hole than a $200 LOSS for the session, you are basically accepting that you will potentially LOSE more than you could WIN. Which means you are almost guarenteed to be a loser at the end of the year. I hope you realize that i'm not trying to be some sort of self-righteous dick here, but that i am concerned that 1. you are personally going to experience a loss as a gambler because you have put faith in a short-term 'system' that has no mathematical basis in truth, and 2. other amateur gamblers will read your post & think they can do the same thing you have, and 'win' just as easily. I don't want either of these two scenarios to happen, so i want to nip this line of thought in the bud now. Do yourself a favor & pick up any number of reputable books on the subject -- Wong's 'Professional Blackjack' comes to mind, or for a more intensive analysis of the optimal playing conditions to consider, Andersen's 'Burning the Tables...' -- before your foolproof 'system' lands you in the poorhouse! -hollywood dave.
Good luck Lobster I wish your luck continues and you make $200 everyday, but the advice Hollywood gave you is on the money. If you never lose I am sure everybody here would be happy for you, however it is very unlikely to happen. I hope that if you do lose, that you limit your losses the same way you do your win's or as Hollywood stated you could have a MONSTER LOSS chasing that $200!
Absolutely... You guys are right about playing under the right conditions... Which I always do before I play anywhere, but did not mention it cause I figured everyone already new that's what you do before you sit at a table... Also yes I do limit my losses like I limit my wins, otherwise, Yes I would be in the poorhouse... and I must have been understood cause, like I said in my post "I do lose sometimes" I was trying to send the message out of the importance of not being greedy. I was Not at all trying to explain a surefire recipe for success... You both are absolutley right and I should have gave more detail in my post.
King Of Vegas Hey Hollywood Dave, I am glad you didn't have to kill yourself on national TV. lol Looks like a fun game show. Midnite
KoV chat not to shill for another site, but i will be hosting a chat over on fellow West Coast Grinder, AP, and my publisher Viktor Nacht's website www.AdvantagePlayer.com next Sunday @ 6 pm PST, RE: King of Vegas (and my other upcoming ventures)! So for those of you who want to hear some of the behind-the-scenes action on the show, check it out... -hd.
