Every body left with Zero Chips

Discussion in 'Blackjack Tournament Strategy' started by little, Jun 26, 2006.

  1. little

    little New Member

    hi everybody,
    i ve a question in my mind.if everybody left with zero chips with him in the final round then how the winner is decided in the tournament.
    Does house looks for number of wins of each player or something else to do the decision of winner
     
  2. toolman1

    toolman1 Active Member

    Playoff

    Ties are usually decided with a playoff. Each player is given a bankroll and the one with the largest bankroll after about 3 to 5 hands is declared the winner. If they are still tied then it usually becomes "sudden death". This varies from casino to casino but that is the general procedure.

    little:
    On a separate note, you wrote the following on a different thread about "house rake":

    I am just curious. Are you trying to develop a computer game or a brick and mortar casino tournament?
     
  3. little

    little New Member

    Ans

    I m goin to develope a computer game which will be played online

    N thanx for your kind reply
     
  4. little

    little New Member

    question

    can you please explain what exactly happens in Sudden Death round.
    and how many times it is repeated
     
  5. toolman1

    toolman1 Active Member

    Sudden Death

    If the players are still tied after the 3 to 5 "tie breaker" hands, then "sudden death" often goes into effect. There are no more required number of hands to play. In sudden death, play continues until one person leads at the end of a hand and then that person is declared the winner.

    Sometimes the rules state that if there is a tie after the 3 to 5 "tie breaker" hands, then another 3 to 5 hands are played, and so on. In this format there is no "sudden death". This is an example of another case of setting the rules according to the casino's preference.

    little:
    Good luck on your endeavor.
     
  6. little

    little New Member

    Thnx

    thnx for your kind replies
     
  7. KenSmith

    KenSmith Administrator Staff Member

    My recommendation for tiebreakers...

    Play a number of hands equal to the number of players involved times 2. If two players are tied, play 4 hands. If 3 players are tied, play 6 hands, etc.

    This way, each player in the tiebreaker plays each position twice. Ties don't happen all that often, but this is a good way of making them more fair to all, and less dependent on seat position.
     
  8. TXtourplayer

    TXtourplayer Executive Member

    That is how I run my tournaments...

    I agree, this is the format (or rule) I use in my tournaments. It is the fairest way I know.

    One point I'll make (this is for Chips), a playoff involving multiple hands is not "Sudden Death"!

    Sudden death would only be if the players play only one hand at a time until the other play/players were eliminated.
     
    Last edited by a moderator: Jun 28, 2006
  9. little

    little New Member

    one more question

    now every thing has been clear to me,but there left only one thing in my mind if some how players in the final round left with zero chips how we gonna decide winner out of them,do we need to split the tourpool or do it some other way
    well thanx for other answers
    regards
    little :)
     
  10. KenSmith

    KenSmith Administrator Staff Member

    Most land-based tournaments specify that ties for 2nd place or lower simply split the prize money, while ties for first place are decided via a tiebreaker. That way you have just one champion.
     
  11. fgk42

    fgk42 New Member

    Forgive this silly question but in "sudden death" do they ever chop?
     
  12. toolman1

    toolman1 Active Member

    Chop?

    Generally speaking, if the rules have a sudden death provision it means that the casino will not allow a chop. But, of course, there are exceptions. Assuming there is a sudden death provision and the participating players agree to chop (it must be unanimous) and the casino agrees, then there can be a chop.
     
    Last edited: Jun 30, 2006
  13. little

    little New Member

    Chop?

    what is chop?
     
  14. toolman1

    toolman1 Active Member

    Chopping

    It's best explained by an example.

    Let's say 1st prize is $10,000 and 2nd is $5,000 and 2 people are tied for first place. Instead of playing a "tie breaker" or "sudden death" (or after a tie breaker if the tie breaker does not decide a single winner), the 2 players agree to split the 1st and 2nd place prize money equally or "chop it". Each would then receive $7,500. Unless there are rules to the contrary, a chop cannot occur unless both players agree to it and the casino also agrees.

    A chop occurs in poker a lot more than blackjack. If all the players left at a final poker table agree, all the prize money that would be paid out to those remaining poker players is added together and then distributed equally or "chopped". In poker, the casinos do not oppose this nearly as often as blackjack.
     
  15. little

    little New Member

    thnx

    thnx for this elaborated explanation
    regards
    little
     
  16. ProfGlitch

    ProfGlitch New Member

    On Ultimate Bet, if the hands are still tied at the tie breaker, a second tie breaker is had, and each player is restored to 10000 chips. This continues ad infinitum until a tie is no longer had.

    Also, casinos that allow chops also allow uneven chops (i.e. 8500/6500 in your example). When I play in poker sit and gos in offline casinos, and I have a 2:1 lead heads-up, I'll usually offer a 430-370 chop (as opposed to 400:400) and the other player will almost always take it.
     
  17. pokernut

    pokernut New Member

    Most online software is not designed to allow a chop.
     
  18. tgun

    tgun Member

    chops

    Casinos shouldn't care if the last two finalists elect to chop. What they don't want to get involved in, is prestablished chop agreements involving 2 or more participants.


    tgun
     

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