Single deck, even money BJ

At the Grand in Gulfport they had a single deck table with a $5 min, $1000 max which only paid even money on a BJ. The catch was they played the single deck all the way out to the discard and when the dealer would deal out the last card in the deck, they shuffled the discard and continued play.

My question is, what does this do to the house edge? Is it worse than a six deck shoe with a normal 3 to 2 for a BJ? I think all other rules were the same for both tables.

 

Big House Edge

Would they mind if you spread your bet from $5 to $1000???

You certainly could not argue with the penetration being given but just by changing this one rule of even money BJ, the house edge increases by about 2.3%. This would require a HUGE bet spread to overcome.

Just as a side note, the popular 6:5 BJ now found on the strip adds about 1.7% to the house edge. You should not play either of these games.

Dan

 

I knew that the house edge had to be even worse than 6:5 blackjack which we all know to avoid, but I hadn't seen any numbers on even money, so this helps. I was stupid enough to sit down and spread my bets up and down (my bankroll was only $100 and the bets I was making were $5 to $25) and was ahead about a $100 when I got a blackjack and looked at what the dealer paid me and asked why I wasn't getting 3:2. Someone at the table said "This is single deck and the odds are so good that they only pay you even money." I smiled, picked up my money and left...

There was nothing on the felt that said what blackjacks paid, I did read the small print on the placard on the table afterwards that it only paid even money and explained the deal and shuffle.

Goes to show, always know the rules before you sit down.



Thanks Dan!

 

Smart Move...

....Very smart move! :gun: 6:5 or 1:1 BJ Payouts

Good Luck,
Dan

 

6:5

tHIS SAME GAME IS PAYING BJ @ 6:5 AT TREASURE BAY IN BILOXI. WHAT DOES THIS DO TO THE HOUSE EDGE?

 

6 to 5 House Edge

The house edge for Bj paying 6 to 5 is 1.39%, note that this persentage is for the BJ only, the house edge will go up on the game depending on other rules such as stand or hit soft 17, splitting rules,ace splits, etc. The house edge could be as LOW as 1.44% on this game! WOW! compared to around 0.05 if you just play Basic Strategy on a normal BJ game.The casinos are always looking for ways to pay the light bill.

Goodluck finding a game!
Catch :yikes:

 

House Edge 1.39

Can You Please Educate Me Or Tell Me Where To Find A Calculation That Produces This 1.39 Edge.

 

6-5 Payout.

I know the Casino I frequent here in Missouri pays 6/5 on single deck, but the double deck still pays 3/2 with restrictions of doubling only on 9, 10, 11 where the single deck with 6/5 allows doubling on any two cards and also allows doubling after splits where the double deck doesn't. Is the single deck with doubling allowed after splits enough to offset the 6/5 payout. I have always stayed off the single deck and only play double deck here in Missouri. Thanks for any input or suggestions.

Take Care...
Capt. BlackJack

 

Doesn't offset it,

not even close. The double deck game even with restricted doubles is still a much better game than the 6-5. You cannot come out ahead in the long run with the 6-5 game.

 

Playing in Traffic

When talking about a game that should be avoided at all cost is there any difference between 1.44 or 1.45 Thats like playing in traffic and getting run over by a red car instead of a blue car :laugh: This game should be avoided like the plague that it is.Thanks to Catch for pointing out the red car and Kenny for the blue car .

 

6:5 Bj

I am trying to do some further calculations with the formula you provided & have a few questions about some of the numbers.

16 FACE CARDS IN DECK
4 ACES
52 CARDS IN DECK
51 ???wHAT DOES THIS REPRESENT. ACES, FACES OR WHAT & WHY
2 WHAT DOES THIS REPRESENT
0.3 Loss due to 6:5

I ASSUME THIS CALCULATION REPRESENTS A FULL DECK. I WANT TO CALCULATE CHANGE IN PAYOUT AS COUNT CHANGES.

i QUESTION WHETHER THE .3 SHOULD BE THAT OR .2. THE 12 PAYOUT DIVIDED BY 15 =.80 THAT - .20 LESS THAT THE 1.5:1 PAYOUT. wHERE AM I GOING WRONG

 

Here is what all those numbers were about.
Player getting a blackjack in a single deck game: first card a Ten (chance 16/52) and the second card an Ace (chance 4/51). Note that we used 51 as the player already has received one card and now the deck consists of 51 cards only. So, we have 16/52 times 4/51. Also the player could get a blackjack by getting an Ace first (4/52) and a Ten as the second card (16/51).
Total chances for a blackjack are: 16/52 x 4/51 +4/52 x 16/51. The same calculation can be expressed as 2x(4/52)x(16/51), or 2x(16/52)x(4/51), or as Ken wrote (16x4)/(52x51) x 2
They all come to be .04826546 that is usually rounded to 4.83%

Now, for calculating edge if payouts are other then 3 to 2 you need to keep in mind that when you get a blackjack dealer can not has a blackjack, or you would push or could take even money – same result regardless of blackjack payoffs.
To calculate chances of dealer blackjack when you have it too, you need to start with deck consisting of only 50 cards. Right? So it is: 2x15/50x3/49 = .036735
Uncontested blackjack is going to be: 4.83% times (1- .0367)
Finally, the probability of a specific payout advertised blackjack in a single deck game is .046492

Another thing, payouts 3 to 2 can be described as 15 to 10; payout 6 to 5 equals 12 to 10. When you bring them to the same denominator, especially that it can be expressed in % it makes for easier and more evident comparison. You can say that by paying 6:5 instead 3:2 casino robs players of 3/10 (30%) of advertised payouts on blackjacks, as 15/10 –12/10 is 3/10.
Since uncontested bj happens 4.65%, thirty percent of it is 1.3948%.

It is roughly 1.39% less often than the standard payouts.

Deduct this from the casino edge based on other rules offered to have total game edge for basic strategy player.

Regards,
S. Yama

 

Question

As Arlalik correctly pointed out on 6:5 payout they wouldn't let you "even money" bet because if Dealer gets a BJ then it's really even, but if there's no BJ then they collect your 1/2 bet but return only .2 bet extra, which means we gain only 1.2 - .5 = .7 bet.
Please let me know how's the actual Casino rules work for "Even Money" and if NOT then, Yama, we need to recalculate the outcome.

 

Parhaps my adding " or you would push or could take even money – same result regardless of blackjack payoffs" added to this confusion.
In basic strategy we don't take insurance.

S. Yama

 

Vindication

Thanks for the back up on the numbers Yama. Thanks Ken for the vindication. You know I used my toes for that one :cheers:

Regards,
Catch 27

 

even money on 6:5 payoff

If "even money" is allowed for 6:5 payoff then the basic strategy for that game becomes "EVEN MONEY" on our BJ (I show it in previous post).
Since nobody answered my question about actual Casino rules, I'm gonna calculate the outcome just for theoretical interest. Here it is:

We have BJ - (4/52 x 16/51) x 2 = 4.83%
Dealer Has a BJ with T up - (15/50 x 3/49) = 1.84%
Combined Probability is .09% in this case we have no difference with 3:2 payoff.

We have BJ 4.83%
Dealer has an A up 3/50 = 6%
Combined probability is .29%
In this case with even money option we get 1 bet comparing with 1.04 bet in 3:2 payoff. (15/49 x 0 + 34/49 x 1.5 = 1.04)

Finally in .09% out of 4.83 we lose nothing, in .29% out of 4.83 we lose .04 bet and in rest 4.45% (4.83 - .09 -.29 = 4.45) we lose .3 bet.
Now we have (.29 x .04 + 4.45 x .3) = 1.35%
As you can see there's another .04 gain comparing with Yama's accurate 1.39%, if they'll let us "even money" on 6:5 payoff.

 

patbrickley

6/5 game on the strip in Vegas
Show your brains RUN don't WALK to other games
let the vacation gamblers play those tables
On most recent trip 02/10 - 2/13 Hilton
Dealers saying play is down on 6/5 tables
Casino's will take notice of less action
Lots of dealers standing their shift

 

6:5

Further questions about 6:5
Assume:
6:5
Even money on BJ allowed
Single deck is dealt 100%
S on 17
Split to 4 hands