killing the tournaments

Some more ranting

Billy C you are exactly right, the casinos do want a house full of ploppy highrollers, because that is the only way they make money off of TBJ...and if they don't make money, why offer it? So they run it as ploppy highroll promotions, and turn it into a carnival game and try to keep skilled players out ---that will continue, forever, until they see another way to make it pay for them...and that can only happen if they can run raked tourneys, where they don't have to cater to the highrollers.

Rick....I both agree and disagree with you....casinos don't make much from poker, compared to other games, but do make a profit..and that is what makes it worthwhile to offer poker...as they do profit from it, and the side action and rooms/meals/etc. they get comes on top of that. If all they get from TBJ is the side action, then it becomes a pure promotion, and that means carnival game highroller promotions, which is what we have now and are complaining about. When you say "The whole idea about tournament play is to be used as a draw to pull in players for the casino." you are saying TBJ is a pure promotion, and that is exactly what we have now, you aren't really changing anything...and the casinos do know exactly what they want in a promotion...and how to put it on...they want slot tournaments...and that is what we get instead of serious TBJ tournaments..slot tournaments with cards...as much as the casinos can turn TBJ into that....With poker tournaments the 'whole idea' is not the side action and other income streams, the base idea is 'make money from the tourney' and then 'everything else we get is a bonus'...

In the long run, what you are encouraging the casinos to do, is to run 'better promotions' from our viewpoint..that's worth doing...but ultimately, we need to take TBJ out of the 'promotions' category and turn it into a money maker for the casinos, with the side action being the bonus, not the only reason for putting it on. The simple truth is that we are not the people they put promotions on for. What we need is a paradigm shift for TBJ. Your efforts to get better tournaments can push the casinos in a good direction, and I really do hope you can do that, as they will be worth playing in...but that model, if it happens, as nice as it is, won't become the norm, it will be a special case, we need to change the norm somehow.