Palms 200,000 UBT Tourney

Discussion in 'Ultimate Blackjack Tour' started by Joep, Feb 24, 2007.

  1. Joep

    Joep Active Member

    OK lets look at it this way

    UBT 200,000 Tournament at the Palms

    now lets look at

    Palms 200,000 UBT format Tournament

    It pretty clear to me that they are 2 different tournaments,unless of course you are trying to "STIR" the pot once more and this is not meant for you FGK

    Joep
     
    Last edited: Feb 26, 2007
  2. Barney Stone

    Barney Stone New Member

    OK last word from me dont worry Ken LOL

    I never twisted your words Joe I posted a fact and the fact was your own title. Prove to me that is twisting your words, no dont because you cant. I never paraphrased or quoted you. Get real.
     
  3. KenSmith

    KenSmith Administrator Staff Member

    Huh? At a glance, those two phrases would seem to be identical to me. The addition of the word "format" doesn't do much to illustrate there is an important difference.

    More to the point, this very thread started by JoeP is titled "Palms 200,000 UBT Tourney".

    Pretty confusing.

    Is any of this important? Not really.
     
  4. toonces

    toonces Member

    My understanding is that they are not (as much as I would like them to be). I assume the reason is that people playing online are anonymous and therefore you have a difficulty in tracking these players.

    Now, perhaps a simple solution would be to have people register their screen names with All In to be added to the standings. But based on the quasi-legal nature of the internet game, perhaps keeping any official record of these events may be risky.

    On the other hand, perhaps we ought to maintain, somehow, an internet-only ranking of the top players on Bet21. If bet21 can't do it and someone sent me the formula, I can look at what it would take to maintain them.
     
    Last edited: Feb 26, 2007
  5. Joep

    Joep Active Member

    Here is why

    Currently the All In player ranking system only considers tournaments that are held in land based casinos.The INTERNET is something that was considered but for many reasons including most players other than myself and a few other play under their real names. On top of that players may and could have other players playing for them on the INTERNET this was done often over at Global Player.So to give a player points when there is no guarantee that the player playing that round or tournament is actually the player who account it is. This problem never occurs at a live tournament.Until someone can come up with a solution to these problems the Internet will just have to wait.There is also some states where playing is illegal so that would make the tournament not open to all legally.


    Joep
     
  6. KenSmith

    KenSmith Administrator Staff Member

    Good points Joe. Internet ranking would be fun to see, but these are major hurdles.
     
  7. Phil Dunaway

    Phil Dunaway Member

    Outstanding point fellows, in my state of Indiana,no internet gambling of any kind,including freerolls is legal.The officials here have already made a couple of examples out of people & they are not pretty.
     
  8. Joep

    Joep Active Member

    I still believe when you would see the following

    UBT 200,000 Tournament at the Palms

    To me that would indicate the UBT is holding a tournament with a 200,000 prize pool with the Palms casino hosting it

    If you were to see

    Palms 200,000 UBT Format Tournament

    To me that would indicate that the Palms was holding a 200,000 tournament using the UBT format which is totally different than any other format out there.

    And that was my sole intention when I posted the results,to make sure everyone knew it was not a scheduled UBT Tour stop event or circuit event that is open to all players.This is the right and privilege that the Palms has acquired by paying the UBT a licensing fee to hold these events for their players only.

    Another analogy would be your favorite restaurant is closed on Monday but while driving past it on a Monday you see that the restaurant appears to be open and there are cars in the parking lot.You pull in and expect to be able to dine there,but when you approach the door the signs says closed private party.Should you be upset because the owner of the restaurant decided to host/have a private party.After all it is his right and he pays for the right to have who ever he wants in his restaurant.The Palms was just using a marketing tool that they and only 1 other casino in Las Vegas has the right to use.

    Joep
     
  9. fgk42

    fgk42 New Member

    Reruns

    Joe,

    We heard the restaurant analogy in November on the radio show with Kenny.

    Look, I know how words can be twisted, manipulated, confiscated, etc....

    Why not simply say this:

    200,000 Palms EBJ Tourney?

    If it isn't a UBT event why put UBT in the title/line/thread/post?

    UBT is a trademark/company that made certain promises.

    EBJ is the actual game that is played at the UBT event. EBJ is also played at the Venetian, Barona and in Hollywood's suite :laugh:

    As far as the restuarant analogy remember what happened in France when Marie said, let them eat cake?

    As a former police officer don't you remember times when there were starving people who didn't just look at the restaurant but wrangled their way in the door or even bust the glass to get a small morsel? :joker:
     
  10. Rando21

    Rando21 New Member

    Thanks Joe...

    I understand now....

    It would be nice to have rankings for internet....Dont they do it for the poker game?

    Even just for fun...
     
  11. BJFAN4

    BJFAN4 New Member

    spinning,spinning......

    So it was wrong for the "Starbust" to have invitational tournaments but it's ok for UBT/Palms. :joker: :joker: :joker:
    No big deal anyways, but it's interesting how you and H.D. tell a story.
     
  12. Joep

    Joep Active Member

    Must be the Cold Canadian Air fogging your glasses

    Ahhh my Canadian friend :joker: now you want to compare apples and oranges.My complaint about the Starbust has always been that they had open tournaments and yet even with their open tournaments they had a list of excluded players.Let me remind you the majority of players that made their exclusive excluded list were players who were never even backed off from a blackjack table.As a mater of fact I know 3 players that were rated slot players and they happen to win to much on a slot machine so they were told no more tournaments.Now as far as my case I also was never backed off from a blackjack table yet no tournament for me after I won 100,000 but I made the list. My games of choice at the StarBust were pai-gow,dice,slots. All games with no player advantage whatsoever.

    One could come to the conclusion that if you played blackjack at the Starbust and were still allowed to play in their tournaments you might need to take a step back and reevaluate your blackjack play.You either have the "Best Act" on the strip or you game has serious leaks in it.

    Where is it that you can somehow find a comparison to the Palms from this is the new mystery of the week.

    Here is my current complaint about the Starbust its STILL STANDING


    Joep
     
  13. LeftNut

    LeftNut Top Member

    I find this to be stunningly stupid on the part of the State of Indiana, although it doesn't surprise me (I lived there for a couple of years). An online freeroll with no entry fees, nor even requests for personal identification such as S.S. numbers, is no different than a sweepstakes or free drawing such is run by thousands of websites already.
     

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