just me Only My Opinion 1. 5.00 For Each Advance 2. 5% After Buy In And Rebuys On Final Table And Possible Taxes On Winnings Just A Rule Of Thumb 30% Unless In Louisiana Take Another 6% Off The Win Hope This Made Since I Have Been Guilty Of Stiffing The Dealers (only Because I Did Not Know How To Tip Them After I Collected My Winnings And On The Other Side Of The Coin I Am Guilty Of Tipping Too Much -this Was Because Of Two Final Table Apperances And Felt Good About Over Tipping:d :d If I Win Meaning A Final Table Showing I Feel Good About Sharing My Bounty:d :d 10,000 WIN -3000 TAXES -300 BUY IN AND REBUY =6700 5% TIP OF 335.00
Billy C, I couldn't agree with you more regarding your distaste for forced tipping in a restaurant when only 2 guests are involved. I too often tip 25%-30% in better restaurants when the food and service is exceptional. My reaction would have been similar to yours except I would not have given the extra 10%-15% but I definitely would let the waitress know that the "forced tip" cost her money. Now back to tournament tipping. One thing about forced tipping in tournaments is that it works to a winner's advantage tax wise. Sure a winner's prize is reduced (possibly by less than what he would have tipped on his own ) BUT now his W2-G (or 1099MISC) is reduced also. A winner does not pay income taxes (State or Federal) on the tip money. That alone makes it worthwhile and 3% is not at all unreasonable - would have actually saved me money on my last win!!!
I See toolman1, I see your logic here and pretty much agree with it. I've always had a hatred for "pooled tips" for obvious reasons. Wish there was a way to get bigger tips to the right people and pretty much nothing to the undeserving! Billy C
Just thought I would add one more thought about tipping. I always give a small ($5) toke to the dealer before I begin a round. That way I am covered MOJO wise before we even begin a round. Not that I have a superstitious bone in my body. My tokes when I cash range anywhere from 4% (a big cash) to 10% ( a minor weekly cash). Sometimes it amazes me how some people just don't seem to realize that dealers need those tokes. I was fortunate enough to win a weekly tourny a couple of times in the last 6 months that had a total prize pool of 10K. I got the 5K top prize and was standing there when second through 5 was paid. (3K, 1K, 500, 300, 200) In both cases, not one dime was dropped by the people collecting the 2-5 spots. I went up to 6% both times because of the crew (these were dice tournys) getting stiffed. To me it paid off because the crew tried to look after me because they knew I wasn't going to stiff them at the end. An example of them looking after me was the time they held up the final round for a couple of minutes while someone fetched me from the poker room. Not a big deal (2 minutes) but they could have started without me.
Rebel, Thanks for that story. In that case I agree that the small toking was well worth it because in some tournaments if you aren't there - BAM it's over. The whole concept of tipping in general - not just BJT. But in all areas of the casino gives me pause at times. I usually fall into the over tipping category because of my personal history of being a waiter in college. I understand what it is to depend upon those gratuities. Now having said that I am amazed at the number of dealers that I've encountered who take it personally at the BJ tables. In tournaments I don't think I've had this problem but at cash table(s) there are some dealers who act like it's THEIR money and are actually happy when they draw to 21. I think the concept of pooled tokes for dealers absolutely sucks as it rewards the slug at table 10 and the really outgoing friendly dealer at table 1 gets less. Rick, what stance, if any, does the TBJPA have with regard to dealer pay/tipping?
No forced tipping in main events So far in all the TBJPA main events the players have tipped okay over all. We do not take out tips, (not to say we never well in future events). In the satellite events there is an additional amount added in for the dealers, the reason is no (or very little) money is returned, only a seat for one of the main events is awared and so players tend not to dig in there pockets for an event fee and then if they win a Sit & Go go back for more money to tip with. Just trying to make it fair for everyone. Using the last weeks cruise as an example, the main event most all the dealers did well, but their real money came from dealing Sit and Go events. As I pointed out in an earlier post, I furnish the dealers with their cabins on the cruise and that is their pay, however I allow them the use of the tables and supplies so that they may make money dealing to the players on the side (Sit & Go events). What we have done is let the players decide what was fair and the results was every player (6 total per table) throw in $5 before the start of each Sit & Go for the dealers tip. This amount is the same regardless if the players want to play for $20 each or $200 (the number of hands dealt are the same either way). The best gage I can give other players is put yourself in the dealers place. What would you want or think is fair if you were dealing the tournaments? What would your time and experance be worth, be honest and you'll find 3% to 10% should be within the normal tipping range. A good example of how fair this tipping format worked was I had two of the orignal MIT team members deal for me on the first cruise along with Swog, and on the second cruise I had both Swog and Joep dealing. Now once you sit on the other side of the table you realize how important the tips are.
A couple games Ive played had chip buy ups via the tip. For example for 1$ tip you get 100$ of chips to hold 600$ instead of 500$. I thought this was a good scam for the casino to pull. lol The dealers were almost sure to pull some funds.
