UB/Bet21 Seating Assignments: feeding the conspiracy theorists

I find the whole topic about probability and statistics highly fascinating. I agree with you when dealing with large numbers that the more hands that are played the more likely one is to see in the “improbable” occurring. Your posts indicate, to me at least, that you deal with large numbers and feel very comfortable with them. With regard to diode RNG and such – I have two simple words (no comment). I don’t have enough knowledge to contribute.

With regard to probability and sequencing I will differ from you opinion and observations simply because I’m taking a different (and I feel unique) perspective approach to the situation.

BS was formulated by Thorp based on mathematical calculations on the results of hundreds of thousands of hands. Over the long run when playing against the house you’re best strategy is to use BS (forget the indices and AP play ok?) Why because it is assuming LONG TERM.

TBJ is different in this respect, (1) I’m not playing against the house in fact there are times I want that dealer to have a BJ, (2) I don’t care about the LONG TERM. I want what’s best for the next short sequence of 8 hands (now I’m limited this talk to EBJ) and finally (3) I don’t follow traditional basic strategy – meaning I play differently in TBJ/EBJ than I would playing traditional BJ.

In fact Ken Smith has an excellent article in this months ALL IN magazine with regard to my point #3.

What’s funny about your last paragraph is your assumption that EBJ favors luck over skill. Think about this: imagine your frustration trying to get people to accept that there isn’t a bias to the cards being dealt and then realize that is how others feel when you say EBJ is a carnival game? Amazing how many times this topic rears its ugly head isn’t it?

Know what the best part is? We can agree to disagree!

 

"Rando, no need to stoop to name-calling and personal attacks. Or, maybe you were GHermanski all along?"


Amazing how you ignore the posts and posters that started the name calling. In fact infering that I am Ghermansski could be considered a personal attack in itself...it is your site though...do as you wish.


"Asking RK to prove the game is fair is much like asking him to prove that a coin flip never lands on its edge. And without RK having backend access to all the data, your request is truly pointless. The burden of proof must lie on the accuser, to find a data sample that proves the game is non-random.
Yesterday 01:50 PM "


I never ask RK to prove anything other than his statements that the site deals a fair and random set of cards....RK has stated clearly that the game is dealt fairly and further that he has tested and proved this....Im saying that if he has in fact done this then ...just like my sophmore math teacher used to say when I was trying to cover my lack of brilliance by dazzeling her with BS.....FINE-SHOW ME YOUR WORK! That is what I asked for.

So your contention is that RK can clearly state and prove (without showing any work) that he has tested the system and can declare that the site is clean and there are no issues....and you go further and state that there is no method available to test for a fair deal ? And it would be up to the accuser (whats the difference between the accuser or the defender?)

Im not gonna apoligize for anything I said.....I know some of it was stupid but I was angry and defensive and reacted IN KIND! Funny how rules apply to some but not others...and even the owner responds with the exact same behavior he seeks to punish...with name calling and inuendo.

I'll give myself 3 days...or maybe I'll ban myself for life....good grief!..

 

forget it!

Ken,

Please quit wasting your time, trying to deal with invalid reasoning. Some posters are just negative and fight to remain "hardheaded". You can't fix that. Most of us want to learn from each other and from the many experts that post here. You are already too busy serving the BJ tournament community. We can't afford to have you side tracked by foolishness.

Proven mathematics is not debatable. Some folks still believe that the earth is flat.

Some times you are just too much of a gentleman.

Thanks,
tgun
"Probability and statistics rule"

 

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holiday?

Wondered what had happened to you Rando, you've not posted for a while. I suspect that there is little that can be said that will reassure you of the fairness of the UBT dealing mechanism. What I will say is that the way I understand it (as a lay person), it is a lot harder to say with any certainty that UBT is rigged than it is to say with a similar level of certainty that it isn't, unless of course it is heavily and obviously biased. The admittedly unusual events that were witnessed were improbable but not impossible, or even close to impossible, and it is in fact highly likely that with the 1000's of hands played by 1000's of players that highly improbable events will be witnessed, even regularly. I haven't the time to review all the posts here again, but I do seem to remember RKuczek justifying his position in a manner that seemed fair to me.

Anyways, we've got a UFC-style octagon going in one of the other forums if you're up for a no-holds-barred scrap :joker:

Cheers

Reachy

 

good post Reachy

I bet Barney is rivving his tractor right now.

I except the math pro's finding that "Basic Strategy" provides the best mathematical play for each situation when playing BJ dealt from an infinite deck. "Basic is math!" If I believed otherwise it would be my responsibility to prove differently. Also, I would perform my proofs without criticizing others until I had my proof's ready for publication.

tgun

 

20 sng's on UBT

I did 20 sng's on UBT. Here are my results:

5,6,3,7,5,3,3,2,4,4,6,6,4,7,2,5,2,6,1,5


Random?...although...only one seat 1...hmmmm

 

No revs!

Diesel tractors should never be revved! Unless they are rented then go ahead! Bring them up to 2000rpm slowly PLEASE!

BTW, if Im ever talking to you in a noisy casino and it looks like Im admiring your lips or some leftovers in your teeth I can assure you its more than likely Im trying to read your lips. When I was younger I was too cool to wear ear protectors and sometimes my hearing is a little weak!

 

tug

Don't you enter tractor pulls or some such events Barney? I'd have thought there was good money in that?

Cheers

Reachy

 

problem resolved

if you look back throught software updates, this problem arised when people not taken to seats randomly into next round, 3 updates ago this was resolved and in 'more info' button when you receive update was information on seating fix. Now bad seat good seat very random.

 

updates

I think many people not look at update we do to modules, this is alway on our site to read but for you i post hope help you:

July 5, 2007

A new Aruba button has been added to the left navigation under Promotions. This button will take you directly to land based events tab in the lobby.

Players can now unregister from a tournament up to 16 minutes before the tournament start time.

We have removed all Royal Hold'em games.

Finally, we have added Blackjack and Ultimate Points to the Leaderboard.
May 31, 2007

A new "Go To" menu has been added in the title bar to allow super fast access to your favorite sections

We've removed our informational pop-ups about Roshambo and 3 handed blackjack so that you can get in, sit down and play that much faster

For those that use a large fonts on their computer, we've fixed some graphical glitches that were rendering large fonts incorrectly.

Last but not least we've lowered our rake on Roshambo games to a flat 2% on all of our games.



May 3, 2007

This update is all about bigger, faster, better! Features additional cash Roshambo games, and new UltimatePoints earning for certain BlackJack games.

Roshambo Higher Limits and Faster Play – Real Money table limits are now available in $5, $7, and $10. Also, the wait time between throws has been reduced from 30 seconds down to 15 seconds.

Earn UltimatePoints for Blackjack - Now our players earn UltimatePoints for all real-money blackjack play against the house. Earn 0.40 points for every $15 wagered. Redeem points for incredible rewards in our all-new upcoming UltimatePoints store, or convert them into everyone’s favorite gift…cold hard cash!

April 25, 2007

This update features a host of new games, significant enhancements and additional innovative features.

Roshambo – Commonly referred to as Rock, Paper, Scissors, Roshambo has arrived. Go head-to-head with another live player in Cash Games and SnGs for real money or for free.

3-handed Popup Blackjack - Play up to three Blackjack hands at once for more opportunity to take down the house.

New Lobby Look - It’s now reorganized and optimized, giving you quicker access to your favorite games.

Up-to-date Account Info - Your account balance is now displayed in the lobby. Now there’s no need to hit the cashier to find out that you’re loaded.

Instant UltimateBuddy™ Access - Launch the popular application directly from the game and find out where your favorite players are sitting


March 8, 2007

This update is history. Hand History.

There is no limit on hand histories, so you could see the first hand of the table if you want. Nice.

Forgot your password? No Problem! You can now change your password directly from the game client using a simple web page. One thing to note though is that it can be done once every 2 weeks, but changing your password every once and a while isn't such a bad idea.

Our single player blackjack table will no longer automatically place a $1 bet on each new hand. The minimum bet is still $1 though.

Coming next week Elimination Blackjack™ tournaments will eliminate players for sitting out 5 hands in a row.

For example 6 players are starting at a table 3 players will advance. 4 of the players never show up. On hand 5, the four players who don’t show up are eliminated for being absent too long. The remaining 2 players are the only ones who advance to round two.

Another example: if less than 5 hands are left, 3 players are playing hand #30 in a 2-advance round. Player 1 is the chip leader, but misses his turn. Because he didn't act in time, he is marked absent. At the end of the hand, Player 1 is still the chip leader, but is still absent. He absolutely advances along with the other player who has the second-most chips because he hasn’t been absent for 5 hands.


February 1, 2007

Big update today. Go ahead and look below for some pretty fantastic changes.

First off we've organized the tournament lobby to show you more of what you want to see.

The Details and Tables and Players tabs work like they always have and have not changed, but we've added 2 new tabs that will give you even more information about the current tournament:

1) Feeders. You are now able to view any feeders that may feed into the currently selected tournament and more importantly are able to jump to the tournament lobby of those feeders.

2) More Details. This tab will allow you to view all of the information we couldn't fit under the Details area. Things like blind structure, payout structure, breaks, starting chip counts, amount of time before registration closes as well as the type of tournament (ie. no limit, no rebuy, no all in protections, time left before no longer accepting alternates).

You will also be able to view different types of rules for different types of tournaments (bounty, sit and go, multi-table, etc.) straight from the tournament lobby.

Now you have the option to view player bet amounts. No more having to mouse over each bet stack, just turn on the option and limp in with style.

AOL players rejoice! You can now accept software updates if you have AOL Security Center installed.

Elimination Blackjack™ received a couple of changes as well. We've changed the time allowed to buy insurance from 10 seconds to 15 and if you've managed to squeeze in and finish a round with 0 chips (meaning you were the next in line to be axed but the required amount of people to advance to the next round had already been met) then you advance to the next round and start with the same chips as everyone else.


December 14, 2006

Today’s upgrade:

Query and view up to 100 hands of your hand history at any given time. Please note this functionality is available for players seated and playing at our tables only. Game observers are not able to view or query player hand histories.


November 30, 2006

Today’s upgrade involves some standard upgrades to better your playing experience.

Coming soon to UltimateBet...

Keep your eyes open for Password Protected Tournaments. Watch this space and your e-mail for details!


November 15, 2006

Welcome to our latest software update featuring FIVE NEW TOURNAMENT POKER GAMES!

- Horse
- Hose
- Razz
- Half No Limit Hold’em / Half Omaha
- Bounty Tournaments

The new games can be found under the ‘Games’ tab in the poker section of the game.

TOURNAMENT DOLLARS
You can now use your tournament dollars to buy into Elimination Blackjack Tournaments!

DOUBLE RE-BUYS
Busted out of a re-buy? Click ‘Get Chips’. You are now given the option to double your re-buy amount.

CHAT FUNCTIONALITY
Players are now able to chat as soon as all-in action is completed. Chat is re-enabled just before the flop and river cards are turned over.

Stay tuned for more great updates! Questions? Please don’t hesitate to mail us at support@ultimatebet.com


August 30, 2006 Update

Welcome to our latest software update featuring ELIMINATION BLACKJACK.

To access this exciting new tournament game, click the Multi-Player Blackjack button on the left side of the game.

What is Elimination Blackjack? If you love the thrill of poker and the excitement of blackjack, you’re ready to play and win at Elimination Blackjack. To learn more about what makes Elimination Blackjack so incredible, click here.

 

Hi UB-Pitboss,

I usually read these, but I still don't see the seating fix mentionned in any of these updates?

 

seat

This was addressed in the module at time, Before fix you did not come to next round table until next round start when this module change so player come to next round table then this problem not happen, seating problem did not effect any player more then other but meant for small periods possible player go similar seat. I know much about software workings but modules are developed through different companies therefore you understand that that EBJ module input to updates come through several sources. I will ask if is possible to have email sent to verify

 

Over

I hope to get input from some of blast of different people to give vision of how this wonderful EBJ look for future, I hope that all player will see the future is very good in this format and to bring interest and sucess players should get behind this format, it maake better play online and land, where i not get chance to see your land events, Ultimate's commitment is clear every day funds are put into this but know is bigger then poker in end, Some say is quiet at moment, i understand from talks with other EBJ licence holder that this is industry wide at current time due to World Serious of Poker. Aruba and more will promote EBJ and much in Pipeline.