Why does Ultimate Bet...

Discussion in 'Blackjack Events (Online Casinos)' started by Archie, Jun 29, 2007.

  1. KenSmith

    KenSmith Administrator Staff Member

    *bump* UB-Pitboss, you still here?
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    Any news on getting an official announcement about the seating issue?

    These two things, the bonus issue and the seating issue are the only things holding back many players, including me.
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  2. noman

    noman Top Member

    Well Mace, thank you too.

    And yep.

    And if I may, I'll second, jump on the band wagon for what Ken states.

    I do hope Ken verified UB Pitt boss. I'm having a hard time believing that poster is for real.

    And as Mace stated earlier on in this or another thread re the bonuses. UBT never structured it's bonuses like other sites.

    Yes, you got so much up to 100 or even say 200 percent. But the return was always based on play and as Mace said, only pennies per mega hands.

    Even on the poker side, one would have to be on a rush for three days to get any significant return from bonuses.

    So that conflict from many was not understanding how one would get bonus money, again, not like any other site.

    But, the overlays were and still are significant.

    But, if you can't stay connected, or continue to string 16's it matters little.
     
  3. Rando21

    Rando21 New Member

    Whats the confusion with bonus at Bet21/UB?

    They promised to pay deposit bonus based on playing EBJ. To date they havent payed one cent.

    That would be called fraud...

    You can word it as confusing and unclear as you like but the fact is they lied and continue to remain dishonest about it.

    For me personally ...I have played far more than necessary to complete the terms of the orginal promise and I should have been paid the bonus long ago...

    As for the overlays...they arent all the great anymore..but if you dont mind playing at a site run by proven liers...by all means ...knock yourself out...

    The seating issue reamins as far as I know....no update has been shown that corrected this major flaw...

    Forget the strung 16,s....how about getting seat 1,2,or 3 90% of the time...vs some shill who may get seat 5,6, or 7?:)
     
  4. UB-Pitboss

    UB-Pitboss New Member

    For your information, I have benn holding up my next post as am waiting for dates that rolling point for Blackjack Tornament start, But for now i address the seating for you information,
    Seating issue links to Rev Mar 2.08 On elimination softwraes all branding and was related to a change in software when seating is assigned when getting promoted to next round, An improvement so that players were given seat immediately for next round where as previously everyone in game was given at same time, Due to frame prediction codes error being used within the seating movement a function resulted in locked out allocation to first play. This problem was recognized, isolated and given top priority so that all play software featuring this code had update by April latest, This seating issue did not isolate any player but was locked in during from previous upgrade. If anyone has noticed anything irregular in Seating recently I would suggest is a nature of luck or not so.
    Ultimate points and bonus release is being implemented into remaining aspects of site and again is
    Currently a high priority, UB has no reason to want to withheld these from player as is marginal percentage of rake received from tournaments, and is not for us to want to fry the player.
    Payouts we hope improvements notice for you, Banking you appreciate always concern when until recently American Agencies treat all internet Gaming companies like they the terrorist, Closing neteller just start of problem they cause, But recent month maybe change in the shift, Rumors’ that Internet Gaming bill is numbered or changes to make legitimate large companies simply answerable but allowed means easier futures for customer and Online companies. For one many sleep will be easy for owners and employment. Also let me say how good i like this site.
     
    Last edited: Jul 24, 2007
  5. bjmace

    bjmace Member

    Neo

    so sounds like for month or however long was we were all stuck like in groundhog day starting from when upgrade came, So would not matter what shell anyone was using, Deja Vu - I was beginning to think we were in the Matrix thank God someone at UB saved us
    :laugh: Neo or Morpheous
     
  6. KenSmith

    KenSmith Administrator Staff Member

    Thanks for the response UB-Pitboss. For the benefit of all, I want to try to work through these point by point...
    This looks like a date. Perhaps you meant March 2, 2007, not 2008? Please clarify.
    Yes, I think we all agree that this problem began at the same time the instant seating for players in the next round was introduced.
    I can't tell if this is just a bad translation, or just algorithmic hand-waving. Having a solid English speaking description of what was wrong with the software would be a big help.
    This may well be true. I don't recall any complaints after April.
    I think you mean that this issue was not only happening to specific players, but was instead a flaw experienced by everyone. Of course, for some players it was a benefit while to others it was a severe handicap.
    Now that you have essentially made the statements: A) There was a problem, and B) We fixed it, I can now begin to agree with this statement, as far as my knowledge will allow. While I'm still not 100% happy with the 'frame prediction code' part of your explanation, it is at least substantial progess that finally months after the problem was identified here, UB has admitted the existence of the problem.
    I hope you're right about this, though I think skepticism on the part of your customers is understandable. Unfortunately, repeated promises haven't amounted to anything yet, and that undermines your credibility. The only way to resolve that problem is to finish the implementation.
    We can all agree on that one. Paying players in the US has become quite difficult for casinos. Of course, that's no surprise, since transferring funds like that is now against the law. As badly as I detest this law, I think companies who ignore it are risking much if and when the US again becomes a legal marketplace for their products. My current interest in these unresolved issues stems from two causes: 1) The many users here who have been and continue to be your customers, and 2) I would like to be able to return to promoting your products to my non-US visitors, which I halted pending the outcome of these problems.
    No doubt. If US regulation and taxation are in the future, the world will be a much better place when they arrive.
    Thank you, and we appreciate your efforts to keep us informed.
     
  7. BJFAN4

    BJFAN4 New Member

    Bottom line.

    Show us the money! Bonus money, back to day one.:flame: :flame: :flame:
     
  8. toonces

    toonces Member

    UB-Pitboss, there are lots of reasons people are skeptical about the bonus money, beyond the obvious one that we have been promised the money many times.

    The main thing is that once you get the bonus system working and retroactive, bet21 will owe a lot of people a lot of money (well, actually they already owe them the money, but have been able to hide behind technical issues). There is a fear that bet21 may have cash flow issues, based on problems that some have had in their payouts being delayed. I'm sure that UIGEA had a lot to do with it, though my understanding is that the UIGEA did not make it illegal for offshore casinos to pay players, just to collect money.

    It would seem to me that a fair solution for now or in the near future is to manually calculate a player's owed bonus money if they email you specifically and transfer it to actual money. I would think it's an easy thing to calculate manually by importing their transaction log and calculating their owed bonus.
     
  9. Rando21

    Rando21 New Member

    I would gladly accept tournament dollars as payment of my bonus dollars at this point. I expect most players would agree to that as well.


    UB is Bet21 and I think they can pay this....they do it for poker now. Additionally they offer reload bonus fairly often so ....

    Lets hope UB starts treating EBJ players with the same consideration as poker players....given a chance this game can really grow.

    Personally I dont care to know the inner workings of how deposits are made and withdrawls are handled...as long as they pay me when I win and I can find a way to deposit if I need to.
     
  10. S. Yama

    S. Yama Active Member

    It's a classic!

    I’ve read post number twenty-four by UB-Titboss and I have to say:
    It’s a CLASSIC!

    But I can’t help myself wondering if it really was:
    1. My aunt Clementine’s result of her first attempt at programming voice recognition?
    2. Example from the textbook English .000101?
    3. Noman is playing with us again?
     
  11. toonces

    toonces Member

    S. Yama, I believe Ken mentioned that English is clearly not ub-pitboss's native language, (and he's not exactly part of the costomer service team), so I'm willing to give him a break on his English skills.

    And I agree with Rando, that Tournament Dollars would be a very acceptable compromise.
     
  12. noman

    noman Top Member

    It's A classic: Point 3

    Yama, Yama, Yama......

    Eloi, Eloi, LAMA sabacthani?

    It weren't me!
     
  13. S. Yama

    S. Yama Active Member

    Ken mentioned that English is clearly not ub-pitboss's native language
    Does anyone need Ken’s statement to come with this conclusion?
    (noman) why hast thou forsaken me?

    I’ve tried (really, really hard) to look at UB-Titboss post as somebody attempt to amuse us – That’s all folks – as Dennis Potter could say.
    All other alternatives are rather creepy.
     
    Last edited: Jul 26, 2007
  14. eliburk

    eliburk New Member

    pitboss

    OK, I have to say it even if I get in trouble again - there is no way this "person" could write so poorly no matter what their native language. And just where is ultimate bet? Dont they probably speak English since the vast majority of all of their customers are english speaking?
    I just do not buy it.
     
  15. noman

    noman Top Member

    Yama. Yama. Yama.

    I always wanted to say that. Thanks for the opportunity.
     
  16. RKuczek

    RKuczek Member

    oddly enough

    not everyone in the world speaks, reads, and writes American English :eek:

    some that do read/write better than speak it, some the other way - easy to get confused on grammar and spelling - so have some mercy here

    also - UB-PitBoss is NOT AN OFFICIAL UB REPRESENTATIVE - he is, supposedly, an employee who has chosen to post on this site of his own free will -

    I would, frankly, give his posts the same credibility I give all UB shill posts - however well written the language .......none
     

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